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  • Dan Durland

    Hey Tom,

    Given your familiarity with the route what is your guestimation of ride time. Perhaps a middle of the road time so folks can scale up/down.

    Thank,

    Dan

    • teamvelveeta

      Dan

      I’ll do the best I can on this. In order to most accurately estimate the time needed to complete either of these courses, I am going to attempt to use science.

      On Sunday of this past weekend I rode from Salida to BV on the first half of the route. It took me about 7:45 (elapsed time, not ride time). I am slow. You, Mr Durland, are not slow.

      In order to translate this number into a not-slow-person equivalent, I have developed what I am calling The Turgeon Index. I have compared some of my split times in the Vapor Trail 125 to Matt Turgeon’s splits in the same segments. That number is 0.7357747. When my time to BV on the course is factored against The Turgeon Index, the number is 5:42.

      My intent Sunday was to complete the whole short course. But I was too shelled to do that. I ate a tastey pulled pork sandwich and too many french fries, then battled a gnarly crosswind all the way home to Salida on Hwy 285. If I had been virtuous enough to do the whole thing, I could have applied The Turgeon Index to my time and given you an accurate number. Instead, I will guess (which is a part of the scientific method known as making a hypothesis).

      The second half of the base course is I think a little easier than the first half. It has lots of climbing, but for the most part the climbs are more aerobic. But we’ll be tired. Double it? Eleven to twelve for the full short course, for a person of Turgeon-like ability? Throw another hour or 90 minutes at it for the long course? I fully expect the fastest times to be maybe a little quicker than that, given a margin of error on The Turgeon Index, and the fact that every once in a long while, somebody comes to one of these things ready to ride even faster than Matt Turgeon.

      I’m going to decide about whether my own choice will be long course or short course when I get to that fork in the road (that road being the Lenhardy Cutoff). I’m giving myself 16-18 hours to finish. Yes, I am bringing a light.

  • teamvelveeta

    Aaron,

    I’ll see what I can do here.

    During the first half, the Colorado Trail part of the course, it’s easy. There are a couple major streams (Browns Creek, Chalk Creek, and Cottonwood Creek) and quite a number of very small flowing creeks typically with crystal clear water.

    Then of course there is BV. In Buena Vista there are convenience stores, restaurants, and I believe there is a drinking fountain in the park northwest of the intersection of Main Street and Highway 24. My personal strategy will be to leave BV with all the water I expect to need to get back to Salida.

    After crossing the Arkansas out of Buena Vista, there is no surface water on the base route until you cross Highway 24 and start riding up CR 307 and then CR187. You’ll follow along a creek with beaver ponds appearing periodically. It’s relatively slow-moving water and not the cold, crystal clear water that you see in the alpine mountains. But it’s water.

    When the route follows the fork onto CR185 you will no longer see running surface water. However, if you look on a topo map you will see Bassam Spring next to the route in the middle of Bassam Park. There is a stock tank there. I have never stopped to check the condition of the water in that tank, but I presume it is not terribly stagnant, probably a decent chance to filter some OK water.

    For the long route, there is some running surface water in Chubb Park up at the very furthest north part of the course. It’s in the middle of some cattle grazing terrain and as I recall there were cow tracks down to the banks. In other words, not pristine.

    After that I do not recall seeing any surface water at all on the long route. However, after arriving passing through the road intersection at Black Dumps and heading south you’ll pass a side road signed Bassam Guard Station. Back when I rode the original Harvest Moon Ride on which this course is based, we stopped in at the guard station and filled up on water from a hand pump. It was wonderful water, but I can’t promise you that it’s legal to go in there. You’ll have to climb a locked gate if I’m not mistaken.

    After passing through Futurity and joining the base route, it would not be far to backtrack to the Bassam Spring stock tank, maybe a quarter mile. After that it’s dry all the way up and over Aspen Ridge. The course goes past a quarry full of water about 10 miles from the end of both courses, near the turn to Turret.

    That’s it. My recommendation is to leave BV with as much water as you can carry. Go easy on the french fries. That’s been my downfall. Nice salty french fries taste really good, but they take lots of moisture to digest.

  • CHERYL RONDEAU

    bassam guard station water-if someone is renting the cabin and it is late/after dark they might be very suprised-so, make lots of polite noise or hello’s approaching the pump up the driveway past the cabins and outhouse-FYI

  • teamvelveeta

    I have put together a page about options for camping very close to Salida:

    http://schizoidepics.wordpress.com/where-to-camp-close-to-salida/

  • Doug Byerly

    Does anyone have the final stats for distance and elevation gain on the long loop for those of us old school, low tech geeks ? Thanks, doug byerly

  • Jesse Jakomait

    Anyone know if there are relaiable water sources in the 2nd half of the long loop?

  • Jesse Jakomait

    Thanks Matt! I hit the 7-Eleven last year a block south down main street. That fountain will be better!

  • teamvelveeta

    Here are the preliminary 2015 results (please check for accuracy, the sign-in sheet was sometimes a bit confusing!):

    https://schizoidepics.wordpress.com/2015/06/07/sbfl-2015-results/

  • Devin Dahl

    ALL RIDERS: There is neutral support and fun at Boneshaker Cycles in Buena Vista. There will be water, food, bacon, whiskey, etc. as well as a mechanic on duty to make any repairs or adjustments you might need. Please stop in, catch your breath and let us help you with the second half of the ride! contact us at 719-966-5075, boneshakerbv@gmail.com or facebook if you have any questions. See you on the ride!

    • teamvelveeta

      Thanks so much Devin! Boneshaker has really supported the SBFL and it is appreciated! Stop by and say hey to the gang at Boneshaker everybody, right on route on Main Street in BV.

  • teamvelveeta

    Results are up, let me know if there are any corrections I need to make.

    https://schizoidepics.wordpress.com/2016/06/12/sbfl-2016-results/

    Congratulations everyone for a great event this year. Very qualified and professional group this year!

  • Chad kittles

    Tom,
    Is the Cottonwood Canyon trails still just an option this year with the 90 minute bonus if you do it? I am doing it but just wondering. Those trails were sick but tiring after 90 something miles.

    • teamvelveeta

      Just like last year Chad. We don’t want a very tired person to feel compelled to take Cottonwood on to avoid DNF. Too easy to crash when you’re that tired. So yes, just an option.

  • Esther

    thanks to the organizers- I had a lot of fun! glad I could finish on a single trail (cottonwood). If I decide to do such a ‘thing’ again I definitely need to work on my route finding skills, got quite lost a couple of times despite my gps track 🙂

    • Andre Breton

      Amazing that despite the GPS complications you still dropped Cottonwood! Congrats for an impressive display of perseverance on a tough course and a long day on the saddle! I suspect you’ll be back next year 🙂

  • Dwayne Otto

    This message is for the guy that was with me when I bailed on the Princeton climb just before the stables.
    Hey man — I went down to the Mt. Princeton Hot Springs store for water before I headed back to Salida only to discover that my rear brake was heavily dragging, I worked on it for 30 min. with no success and ended up using a knife to separate my pads for my ride back. Turns out both pistons on the left side of my caliper were froze and absolutely would not retract. Monday morning I did a 2 hour grind up Princeton ( without brake drag) and did just fine. I’ll be back next year, hopefully with some of my wife’s cookies. 🙂

    • Andre Breton

      The fellow that you were with is Eric Swab, a member of Northern Colorado Grassroots Riders (NCGR) out of Fort Collins. I let him know you posted a comment and referred to him, did you two get in touch? Let me know if not and I’ll make that happen.

  • Dwayne Otto

    Thanks Andre, No I have not. This forum was my only way to tell him what happened. He tried talking me into Buena Vista but at that time my legs felt like I had 10 hours behind me. I’m not making excuses. Tell him that at the point in time at the base of Princeton when I had to stand up to get past that first pitch at the water park, I should have figured something was mechanically wrong. Just before all of that I was honestly hoping a bad morning was going to turn into a good afternoon.

  • Fabrizio

    Thanks a lot Tom & co-organizers!
    No 100 minute deduction for cottonwood base-loopers?

    • teamvelveeta

      Oops! Yes base loopers get the 100 minutes, but I forgot! Doing this from a series of hotel rooms, so thanks for letting me know where the mistakes are! I edited the results to apply the credit to your time and Esther’s time.

  • Luis Calderon

    Thanks for hosting! See y’all next year. For the record, Kylie finished just ahead of me!

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